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What Tim O'Reilly Gets Wrong About the Cloud
Rough Type: Nicholas Carr's Blog —
... What Tim O'Reilly Gets Wrong About the Cloud October 26, 2008 Technology publisher and Web 2.0 impresario Tim O'Reilly wrote a thought-provoking post today about the dynamics of the nascent cloud computing business. He makes some important and valid points, but his analysis is also flawed, and the flaws of his argument are as revealing as its strengths. O'Reilly begins by taking issue with Hugh MacLeod's ...
Clearing Clouds
Geek In Disguise —
Tim O’Reilly sits atop Techmeme at the moment with his post on Web 2.0 and Cloud Computing. It reminded me of Andreessen on Platforms from just over a year ago. Good to see my old pal Hugh involved in this debate too as he often brings some sanity in a world of geekdom – though other times I think he’s more of a geek that the rest of us. Anyway, all of these post serve to illustrate that Cloud Computing is on the same or greater trajectory than Web 2.0 was back when Tim ...
Nick Carr: Still wrong on Google, Part 2
mathewingram.com/work —
... a giant monopoly. O’Reilly argued that it likely wouldn’t, because it doesn’t benefit from network effects in the same way that Google does. ...
There is more to Web domination than Web 2.0
The Open Road —
... ." Judging from Tim O'Reilly's latest post about the cloud , it looks like I'm not the only one to turn a useful trend into a all-consuming principle. In Tim's case, the principle is Web 2.0. It's a good idea with serious implications for building businesses on the Web, but it has come to explain too much for him. Tim dismisses cloud computing's potential to harness big systems to earn gargantuan returns (and monopoly power) on the web, suggesting instead that Web 2.0, or the harnessing of collective intelligence to make applications better the more people use them, is the key ...
A Reminder of What Web 2 Is
John Battelle's Searchblog —
From the man (yes, my partner on Web 2 Summit, so I am biased) who helped start the meme:
... value is migrating to a new kind of layer, which we now call Web 2.0, which consists of applications driven not just by software but by network-effects databases driven by explicit or implicit user contribution. ...
Who Wins in the Cloud, and Why?
Know It All —
There's some interesting deep-think in Tim O'Reilly's post about cloud computing, and also a nice neat summary of what people really mean when they talk about the cloud (briefly, Utility computing, e.g., Amazon's web services; Platform as a Service, e.g., Google AppEngine and Salesforce's force.com; and Cloud-based end-user applications.)
Back on the big-think side, Nick Carr ...
Unanswered Questions About Microsoft's New Cloud Service "Azure" (MSFT)
Silicon Alley Insider —
... Azure help Microsoft make the transition from desktop to cloud computing? Also not clear, especially in terms of profit. Amazon's services business is still immaterial to its overall P&L;, and Microsoft is a lot bigger than Amazon. It also remains to be seen whether Amazon, Microsoft, or anyone else can ever corner the cloud-development platform market, the way Microsoft did on the desktop. It's possible that, in the long run, cloud computing might not a huge money-maker for anyone. Tim O'Reilly: ...
Who owns the keys to the clouds?
The Inquisitr » Technology —
... about cloud computing that was started out by Tim O’Reilly’s post on October 26th called Web 2.0 and Cloud Computing which dragged in such luminaries as ...
Cloud Computing Network Effects, Or Why Tim O’Reilly and Nick Carr Are Both Wrong
SmoothSpan Blog —
... First, what is the back and forth? It all started with a post by Tim O’Reilly that presented some innovative thinking about cloud computing. Tim has been thinking hard about the role of network effects in bringing an unfair advantage to web companies, and in this post, he wonders aloud whether there are any network effects for Cloud Computing. This post was promted by ...
A typology of network strategies
Rough Type: Nicholas Carr's Blog —
Microsoft to offer Office-in-the-cloud | Main A typology of network strategies October 30, 2008 This week's pissing match - I mean, spirited conversation - between Tim O'Reilly and me regarding the influence of the network effect on online businesses may have at times seemed like a full-of-sound-and-fury-signifying-nothing academic to-and-fro. (Next topic: How many avatars can dance on the head of a pin?) But, beyond the semantics, I think the discussion has substantial practical importance. O'Reilly is absolutely right to push ...
Book Review: Nick Carr’s Big Switch
Technology Liberation Front —
... had its own share of drawbacks and problems.
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P.S. If you are interested in the ongoing debate about cloud computing — and specifically the question of how much competition we can expect going forward — you’ll definitely want to check out this very interesting discussion taking place between Hugh Macleod, Tim O’Reilly, and Nick Carr.
“The Cloud’s Best-Kept Secret” — Hugh Macleod
“Web 2.0 and Cloud Computing” — Tim O’Reilly
“What Tim ...
Windows Azure from a Developer's Perspective
Dare Obasanjo aka Carnage4Life —
... Before talking about a cloud computing platform, it is useful to agree on definitions
of the term cloud computing. Tim O'Reilly has an excellent post entitled Web
2.0 and Cloud Computing where he breaks the technologies typically described as
cloud computing into three broad categories ...
The Cloud Computing Monopoly Debate
InformationWeek - All Stories And Blogs —
... : The way I'm seeing the future commonly talked about, is all this data and programs spread all over the networks of all these companies, relatively proportional to their current market caps. Some folk have their stuff with Sun, some with Amazon, etc. But nobody seems to be talking about Power Laws. Nobody's saying that one day a single company may possibly emerge to dominate The Cloud, the way Google came to dominate Search, the way Microsoft came to dominate Software. O'Reilly disagrees with Macleod's analysis, since he thinks network effects instead of power laws ...
Cloud Computing Is More Than a Computer in the Cloud
ReadWriteWeb —
... resources are an extension of the corporate data center; a way to simply reduce the costs of enterprise computing.
There is value down this road, but there are bigger opportunities.
Nick Carr is among those who fear that a small number of players may come to dominate the provision of cloud resources. He outlines many of these arguments in his latest book, The Big Switch, and more recently had an interesting discussion with Tim O'Reilly on the topic. Justin Leavesley shares some of Talis' views on the ...
Cloud Computing Conundrum: Platform as a Service vs. Utility Computing
Dare Obasanjo aka Carnage4Life —
... A few months ago, Tim O'Reilly wrote an excellent post entitled Web
2.0 and Cloud Computing where provides some definitions of two key cloud computing
paradigms, Utility Computing and Platform as a Service. His descriptions of these
models can be paraphrased as ...
The diminishing returns on data
Rough Type: Nicholas Carr's Blog —
... scale advantages, such as the efficiency of the underlying computing infrastructure), but if he's right that Google long ago hit the point of diminishing returns on data, that's going to require some rethinking of a few basic orthodoxies about competition on the web. I was reminded, in particular, of one of Tim O'Reilly's fundamental beliefs about the business implications of Web 2.0: that a company's scale of data aggregation is crucial to its competitive success. As he recently wrote : "Understanding the dynamics of increasing returns on the web is the essence of what I ...
